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===Pictures uploaded by User:Milliot===
*[[:Image:Bignami Otello portrait by Passini 1983.jpg]] If User:Millot = M. Maurizio, then User:Millot <math>\neq</math> Gioacchino Passini
  I can give you confirmation that Mr. Passini gives the permission to use this image, providing his name will be always together with this picture Roberto Regazzi --RegazziR 11:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
*<s>[[:Image:Bignami Otello Bologna 1976 viola 1.jpg]]</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Bignami Otello Bologna 1976 viola 2.jpg]] missing license tag</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Bignami Otello Bologna 1976 viola 3.jpg]]</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Sderci Igino violin scroll 1924.jpg]]</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Sderci Igino violin top 1924.jpg]]</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Sderci Igino violin back 1924.jpg]]</s>
*[[:Image:Sesto Rocchi violin 1975 scroll photo.jpg]] If User:Millot = M. Maurizio, then User:Millot <math>\neq</math> F. Prodi/L.Rocchi
*[[:Image:Sesto Rocchi violin 1975 top & back plates photo.jpg]] If User:Millot = M. Maurizio, then User:Millot <math>\neq</math> F. Prodi/L.Rocchi
*<s>[[:Image:Bisiach Carlo Firenze 1938 1.jpg]]</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Bisiach Carlo Firenze 1938 2.jpg]] missing license tag</s>
*<s>[[:Image:Bisiach Carlo Firenze 1938 3.jpg]]</s>
*[[:Image:Leandro Bisiach 1898 top venice research.jpg]]
*[[:Image:Leandro Bisiach 1898 back venice research.jpg]]
*[[:Image:Leandro Bisiach 1898 scroll venice research.jpg]]
*<s>[[:Image:Keith Peck photo.jpg.jpeg]] The author must allow ''anyone'' to use the picture under cc-by-sa, not merely User: Milliot</s>
*[[:Image:J.B.Vuillaume 1868 scroll.jpg]]If User:Millot = M. Maurizio, then User:Millot <math>\neq</math> C. Pichon
These pictures have dubious and contradicting licensing information. Most contain the statement "to copy and distribute mentioning the author", but that isn't a free license, it doesn't include derivative work and commercial use. If they additionally contain a license tag (not all do), then it always claims that "I, the author of this work, hereby publish it under the following licenses", but the author information varies between "Gioacchino Passini", "M. Maurizio", "F. Prodi/L.Rocchi", "veniceresearch.com", "Gennady Filimonov", and "C. Pichon". How can all these people and websites be the same "I, the author" [[User:Milliot]]? Where do the licenses come from? I cannot find a license statement on these websites. See also [[Commons:Deletion requests/Pictures from www.tarisio.com]] for other pictures uploaded by the user. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 07:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I find it interesting that some users like Frinck51 is able to use exact copies under the name of Frinck as photographer eventhough it clearly states:
"This image is an exact duplicate or scaled-down version of: Image:Violin Vuillaume.jpg
There should be only one copy of an image."

I have also made it clear to that user that it is inappropriate to use his photo as a Vuillaume violin when it is a qeustionable instrument.

You did not seem to mind that such discrepancies do not reflect well with the general rules of wikipedia.

:[[Image:Symbol keep vote.svg|15px]] '''Keep'''I have made the appropriate corrections to my photos. Since there are users who do not wish to reveal their actual names, I have seen many photos with the entry showing author: User: xyz....

With Passini painting, the artist is no longer living for at least 20 years. If I made a photo of the painting, I have the right to upload it according to wiki user rights.

Keith Peck photos have the permission from Gennady Filimonov.

The venice research pics which were uploaded, were not posted anywhere.
Thank you for such sincere concern(s). User:[[Milliot]] 28 March, 2007
*First of all ''stop removing deletion request templates from the pictures'', regardless of whether you believe that they have been corrected or not. if you continue to do so, you will be blocked. Second, note that adding <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki> on the top of a page ''is futile'' and ''won't protect the page''.
*#"This image is an exact duplicate or scaled-down version of" means that the same picture was uploaded twice by [[User:Frinck51]], nothing more and nothing less. It is not our issue whether this is a genuine violin or not; Commons is not a violin certifier. It is irrelevant whether such discrepancies do not reflect well with the general rules of wikipedia, since wikimedia commons is a project that exists as a media repository independently from the wikipedia. Discuss your issue with wikipedia, not with commons. 
*#The "corrections" you made to the photos are not acceptable. You replaced various names by your user name, and are still claiming that you are the author. That's simply incorrect. Of course people use their user name as author, ''but only if they actually '''are''' the author of the picture''. 
*#Paintings go into the public domain '''70''' years after the death of the author, not 20.
*#If you make a photo of the painting before the copyright has expired, you have no rights whatsoever to upload it. In fact, you are committing a copyright violation, which may result in severe civil and criminal prosecution. 
*#That the venice research pics were published here for the first time is not an argument concerning their legal status. We need permission from the photographer of these pictures. Cite the actual statement that the photographers made concerning the permission they granted. You may remove any names that appear. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 07:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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The corrections I made, represent the author. Because I did not wish to use my real name in the begining. So I suggest, you try to be understanding and less aggresive about it.
I have contacted Passini and Roberto Regazzi, and will obtain the rights for the use of the Passini picture.
Roberto Regazzi (who incidentally studied with Otello Bignami), was extremely happy to see that I have launched a wikipage in his teachers honor.
So, please look for the rights on that photo which are coming in the next few days.
The other pics that have my user name, have been made by me. Sorry for these misunderstandings, and thanks for your sincere input on the issue.
If I wish to upload photos of my own collection, please don't hound me about who is making the photos.
I am new to wikipedia, but feel that it is important to expand the luthier section. I also think that making good representative photos of the makers and some of their instruments is very important.
Roberto Regazzi will be adding photos for Bignami as well. He has just told me so.
Again, thank you for your input. User:[[Milliot]]  29  March, 2007
:Please add missing license tags.
:Please remove the statement "to copy and distribute mentioning the author". Quote literally the permission given by the authors, or, for pictures where you are the author yourself, keep it solely to a license tag.
:I assume You = M. Maurizio. It is okay if you replace your name by your user name, but do not replace names of other authors by your user name.
:Please note again what I mentioned above: Adding <nowiki>{{protected}}</nowiki> on the top of a page ''is futile'' and ''won't protect the page''.
:It is okay that you are new, but please don't completely ignore what I am saying. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 18:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
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:Rtc, please note that when I started uploading, I did not realize some of the things you have explained to me. I did mention to you that I did not wish to show my real name. Now that you have clarified this issue, I am happy to upload pics and sign them as my user name.

Now that I have explained things clearly, could you please remove the delete warnings from the photos of the pics that I made. 

The ones from tarisio and venice research, I will discuss with them in the next week or two and get them to provide their permission etc.
With the Keith Peck photo, I have permission from the author. I am not sure where else to paste it. I have pasted it under the licensing. User: Milliot  29 March, 2007

:The deletion requests will be removed as soon as the problems have been resolved. Don't worry, deletion takes months on commons, so you have more than enough time, and even if your pictures should be deleted, we can undelete them at any time again, if you resolve the problems only after they have been removed. Please also for the other pictures remove the statement "to copy and distribute mentioning the author". Quote literally the permission given by the authors, or, for pictures where you are the author yourself, keep it solely to a license tag. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 08:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

:Please tell me, so on the photos where I am the author, you would like me to delete the phrase "to copy and distribute mentioning the author"?
Please let me know. 

The Sesto Rocchi photos are my own, as is that instrument. I will sign them with my user name. 

As for the Passini photo of the painting, Roberto Regazzi of the Florenus Edizioni for the above Exhibit Organization
and The Publishers of "Il Suono di Bologna", he will be taking care of the rights etc. Thank you in advance. User:Milliot   30 March, 2007
*Even if you own a photo, ''you are not the photographer, and thus you do not own copyright on them''. You may thus not sign them with your user name, and you may not upload them without permission. Concerning "to copy and distribute mentioning the author", yes, please delete it, because it contradicts the license you have given, which apart from copying and distributing also permits making profit of and creating derivative works of the photos. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 07:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:what should the license be if I am the author and I wish for it to reflect ""to copy and distribute mentioning the author" as many photos on wikipedia appear. Please let me know. User: Milliot   1 April, 2007
::The correct license for this would be {{t|cc-by-nc-nd}}, causing your picture to be deleted, since, concerning copyright, creating derivative works and making profit of must be permitted for all pictures uploaded to commons. See [[COM:L]]--[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 14:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

*I can give you confirmation that Mr. Passini gives the permission to use this image, providing his name will be always together with this picture Roberto Regazzi --RegazziR 11:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)--[[User:RegazziR|RegazziR]] 11:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
**I am not seeking for confirmations, but for explanations. --[[User:Rtc|Rtc]] 19:28, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
**If you have that permission, please send it to [[Commons:OTRS|OTRS]]. Thank you! --[[User:ALE!|ALE!]] [[User talk:ALE!| ¿…?]] 11:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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<s>As there has been no confirmation of permission, and the user hasn't been active in the last months, I see no other solution that to delete the images. When permission has been sent (as ALE! adviced), they can quickly be undeleted. / [[user:Fred_J|Fred]] [[user_talk:Fred_J|J]] 11:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)</s>
: Okay, hold it... a [[User:GPassini|GPassini]] ([[User talk:GPassini|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/GPassini|contribs]]) has given his permission at [[Image talk:Bignami Otello portrait by Passini 1983.jpg]]. I believe that the user is the copyright holder, also because the user Milliot is acting in good faith here, and I am keeping all the others of which I trust Milliot's claim of authorship. I suggest that anyone who is doubting GPassini's statement contact Gioacchino Passini. '''Kept''' / [[user:Fred_J|Fred]] [[user_talk:Fred_J|J]] 11:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Another amendment. I notice that veniceresearch.com never provided permission for their images. So I am deleting the images from there. / [[user:Fred_J|Fred]] [[user_talk:Fred_J|J]] 12:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
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